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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.waterfallweb.net/archives/2006/04/a-new-netoffice/comment-page-1/#comment-681</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 04:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason,

I would prefer keeping it simple.  Make a expense entry form, identical to the time entry form.  Instead of time entry, use the form to enter:

Project
Task (optional)
ExpenseAmount
ExpenseType (Mileage,PassThrough,Supplies,PerDiem, etc.)
ExpenseDescription 
ExpenseCode 

The record would need to be associated with a team member and the date of entry. 

Also, I don&#039;t track time at the task level, just at the project level.  It would be best for us if we could track time at either the project or project/task level.

Thanks again Jason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,</p>
<p>I would prefer keeping it simple.  Make a expense entry form, identical to the time entry form.  Instead of time entry, use the form to enter:</p>
<p>Project<br />
Task (optional)<br />
ExpenseAmount<br />
ExpenseType (Mileage,PassThrough,Supplies,PerDiem, etc.)<br />
ExpenseDescription<br />
ExpenseCode </p>
<p>The record would need to be associated with a team member and the date of entry. </p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t track time at the task level, just at the project level.  It would be best for us if we could track time at either the project or project/task level.</p>
<p>Thanks again Jason.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.waterfallweb.net/archives/2006/04/a-new-netoffice/comment-page-1/#comment-679</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Joe,

Haven&#039;t really given expense tracking any thought - how do you feel that should work from the end user&#039;s view?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Joe,</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t really given expense tracking any thought &#8211; how do you feel that should work from the end user&#8217;s view?</p>
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		<title>By: JoeS</title>
		<link>http://www.waterfallweb.net/archives/2006/04/a-new-netoffice/comment-page-1/#comment-677</link>
		<dc:creator>JoeS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason,

I&#039;ve used phpCollab, Netoffice, and recently switched to the Dwins Version. I like the Dwins version...it works..but the time tracking feature is buggy.  I agree that it contains a lot of additional features that I don&#039;t plan to use.  Several forum members have made some good suggestions and contributed code.  But the code is update infrequently, bug fixes sometimes take a while.

My thoughts: 
   
Client Sites
I like the idea of client sites, but I&#039;ve never used this feature and I&#039;m not sure that I will in the future.  Other projects handle client access through permissions.

Time and Expense Tracking 
Dwins tracks time, but not expenses.  A couple of extra user defined fields would be all that is needed to track expenses.
Dwins also tracks some other items, time spent in meetings, work hours and task hours as separate pages. I don&#039;t see the need since this can be handled though specifying a code for the hours.
Additionally, Dwins make too much use of arrays specified in the language files.  Some of this data should be put into tables to allow entry from Netoffice.  

Permissions
I&#039;m not sure I have ever figured out permissions. A least in Dwins they don&#039;t work the way I expect.

CSS Based Design
I agree that this is a necessary feature.

By the way...I&#039;ve followed some of your comments and modifications in the past.  Great work and thanks for being willing to take on this project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve used phpCollab, Netoffice, and recently switched to the Dwins Version. I like the Dwins version&#8230;it works..but the time tracking feature is buggy.  I agree that it contains a lot of additional features that I don&#8217;t plan to use.  Several forum members have made some good suggestions and contributed code.  But the code is update infrequently, bug fixes sometimes take a while.</p>
<p>My thoughts: </p>
<p>Client Sites<br />
I like the idea of client sites, but I&#8217;ve never used this feature and I&#8217;m not sure that I will in the future.  Other projects handle client access through permissions.</p>
<p>Time and Expense Tracking<br />
Dwins tracks time, but not expenses.  A couple of extra user defined fields would be all that is needed to track expenses.<br />
Dwins also tracks some other items, time spent in meetings, work hours and task hours as separate pages. I don&#8217;t see the need since this can be handled though specifying a code for the hours.<br />
Additionally, Dwins make too much use of arrays specified in the language files.  Some of this data should be put into tables to allow entry from Netoffice.  </p>
<p>Permissions<br />
I&#8217;m not sure I have ever figured out permissions. A least in Dwins they don&#8217;t work the way I expect.</p>
<p>CSS Based Design<br />
I agree that this is a necessary feature.</p>
<p>By the way&#8230;I&#8217;ve followed some of your comments and modifications in the past.  Great work and thanks for being willing to take on this project.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.waterfallweb.net/archives/2006/04/a-new-netoffice/comment-page-1/#comment-663</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2006 13:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link Reverb - The Dwins version has been around for a while now but he&#039;s heading the other direction to me: adding extra features rather than smplifying it. Reid, the Dwins version might be better suited to you as well if you need the Support Requests and Client Site features, as they will probably disappear (or at least be substantially changed) from what you see now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link Reverb &#8211; The Dwins version has been around for a while now but he&#8217;s heading the other direction to me: adding extra features rather than smplifying it. Reid, the Dwins version might be better suited to you as well if you need the Support Requests and Client Site features, as they will probably disappear (or at least be substantially changed) from what you see now.</p>
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		<title>By: Waterfall Web &#187; Blog Archive &#187; RSS Feeds for NetOffice, Client Site Idea</title>
		<link>http://www.waterfallweb.net/archives/2006/04/a-new-netoffice/comment-page-1/#comment-662</link>
		<dc:creator>Waterfall Web &#187; Blog Archive &#187; RSS Feeds for NetOffice, Client Site Idea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2006 13:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Thanks to all who commented on my previous post about what the future holds for this project. I&#8217;m starting to think about the &#8216;client site&#8217;. It&#8217;s not used by any of my clients in it&#8217;s current form, but I think it might be useful to have the following: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Thanks to all who commented on my previous post about what the future holds for this project. I&#8217;m starting to think about the &#8216;client site&#8217;. It&#8217;s not used by any of my clients in it&#8217;s current form, but I think it might be useful to have the following: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: yannick</title>
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		<dc:creator>yannick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2006 09:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

We are currently looking at netoffice and found a good product, there is of course room for improvement. After we realized netoffice development is stopped we are looking at alternatives just in order to get some support.
I&#039;ll keep reading this as it sounds great.
We&#039;ll let you know if we have any new features idea.
The idea of the RSS feed looks good,

regards,
Yannick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>We are currently looking at netoffice and found a good product, there is of course room for improvement. After we realized netoffice development is stopped we are looking at alternatives just in order to get some support.<br />
I&#8217;ll keep reading this as it sounds great.<br />
We&#8217;ll let you know if we have any new features idea.<br />
The idea of the RSS feed looks good,</p>
<p>regards,<br />
Yannick</p>
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		<title>By: Reverb</title>
		<link>http://www.waterfallweb.net/archives/2006/04/a-new-netoffice/comment-page-1/#comment-649</link>
		<dc:creator>Reverb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 01:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Found your thread by chance. Found another related as well -- looks like a fork took place in Feb 2006 [currently v1.4] You might want to fly bye and kick the tires.

Changelog
http://netoffice.dwins.com/modules/news/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found your thread by chance. Found another related as well &#8212; looks like a fork took place in Feb 2006 [currently v1.4] You might want to fly bye and kick the tires.</p>
<p>Changelog<br />
<a href="http://netoffice.dwins.com/modules/news/" rel="nofollow">http://netoffice.dwins.com/modules/news/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reid Burke</title>
		<link>http://www.waterfallweb.net/archives/2006/04/a-new-netoffice/comment-page-1/#comment-648</link>
		<dc:creator>Reid Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 02:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been using NetOffice v2.5.3-pl1 since 2004 for running my web design projects. It does a good job and I&#039;ve also found your hacks useful (I&#039;ve had to backport them to work in 2.5.x).

I agree with your modifications EXCEPT the client site and support request deletions. My clients like the ability to create tasks themselves and it saves us both alot of time. They also make use of viewing the real-time status of their project as I work on it and the ability to upload project-related documents directly to NetOffice instead of it getting lost in 100s of e-mails. Although the client site needs improvement it&#039;s a great service to have around.

I do agree that NetOffice needs a better workflow and a cleaner, CSS based design. It would be nice if NetOffice could include invoicing functionality too... right now I have to use a seperate app to do all of my invoices and it&#039;s annoying to keep the two in sync. I might wind up backporting the invoice code in PHPCollab 2.5 to NetOffice sometime if the NetOffice project remains stale.

Best of luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been using NetOffice v2.5.3-pl1 since 2004 for running my web design projects. It does a good job and I&#8217;ve also found your hacks useful (I&#8217;ve had to backport them to work in 2.5.x).</p>
<p>I agree with your modifications EXCEPT the client site and support request deletions. My clients like the ability to create tasks themselves and it saves us both alot of time. They also make use of viewing the real-time status of their project as I work on it and the ability to upload project-related documents directly to NetOffice instead of it getting lost in 100s of e-mails. Although the client site needs improvement it&#8217;s a great service to have around.</p>
<p>I do agree that NetOffice needs a better workflow and a cleaner, CSS based design. It would be nice if NetOffice could include invoicing functionality too&#8230; right now I have to use a seperate app to do all of my invoices and it&#8217;s annoying to keep the two in sync. I might wind up backporting the invoice code in PHPCollab 2.5 to NetOffice sometime if the NetOffice project remains stale.</p>
<p>Best of luck!</p>
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		<title>By: kemie</title>
		<link>http://www.waterfallweb.net/archives/2006/04/a-new-netoffice/comment-page-1/#comment-647</link>
		<dc:creator>kemie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, 
Just ran into this page while looking for a netoffice theme. I just installed netoffice, and while the functionality is great, i find the interface super cluttered and not friendly at all. I&#039;d be happy to contribute to a more streamlined, lighter, more easily skinnable and tableless version. Let me know if you need my help!

Kemie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
Just ran into this page while looking for a netoffice theme. I just installed netoffice, and while the functionality is great, i find the interface super cluttered and not friendly at all. I&#8217;d be happy to contribute to a more streamlined, lighter, more easily skinnable and tableless version. Let me know if you need my help!</p>
<p>Kemie</p>
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		<title>By: mcain</title>
		<link>http://www.waterfallweb.net/archives/2006/04/a-new-netoffice/comment-page-1/#comment-644</link>
		<dc:creator>mcain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 06:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1 or maybe 2 people to run the show is the only way it will work. Democracy is not always the answer.

Best of luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1 or maybe 2 people to run the show is the only way it will work. Democracy is not always the answer.</p>
<p>Best of luck.</p>
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